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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:11:00 -
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A few points:
- people are far far too obsessed with SP, it has become a mini-game in its own right, especially for new players
- for most people the loss of +3s or +4s is not really a matter of finance, they are cheap enough you can afford to lose them. Its more a case of not wanting to give the other guy the bonus of a shiney pod killmail.
- seems to me completely empty clones are mainly used for suicide ganking or highly dangerous roams
- PvP clones only need two implants (as you switch your skill queue to whatever skills match the two implants in the clone) so even +4s in a PvP clone is only 45 mill at current market value
- if for some reason you have spare LP with a low LP/ISK ratio corp(fed navy comes to mind) they are good way of using otherwise excess hard to convert LP. (you would mad to spend sisters LP on generic implants though)
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:54:00 -
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PrettyMuch Always Right wrote: The issue for me is how it relates to new players.
New players are already behind in SP thus value their SP gains more than vets, and rightly so.
If a new player gets impatient waiting 2 or 3 days for a level IV skill what happens when they hit 30 or 40 day skills? Impatient people are never going to stay indefinitely, the game is not designed for instant gratification.
The skill system is setup so you can get 80% of the value of a skill in the first 20% of training and level V takes the other 80% of training days for just 20% more. Recent changes including the reworking of drone skills in the summer expansion seem designed to reduce the difference between level IV and level IV training even further.
My personal opinion is all the changes to make it easier for new players including the crazy +17 implants are just encouraging people to play that will end up getting disgruntled when all the super implants and bonuses run out. It would be far better for the game long term to stop giving out these stupid newbie boosts and in fact put the LP price on standard implants up. Sure a few people would quit earlier but long term they are going to rage quit eventually anyway.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.13 08:21:00 -
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Xeator wrote:I really dont understand why people want to cling onto learning implants, its like the learning skills...
Just make it more streamlined eg: Available stat bonuses from implants +1, +2 and +3
In terms of learning speed +1 becomes the current +3 +2 becomes the current +4 +3 becomes the current +5
Current +5 and +4 are removed.
Current set implants with +3 are as strong as the old +5 with added bonuses.
There you have it, people can retain learning capability while having nice bonuses for flying ships.
Problem solved, everyone is happy.
Sillyness, it is the 4 and 5 implants that need to go.
A better solution is leave +1 to +3 as is but double the price.
Then replace the +4 and +5 with modified +3s similiar to the CA implants. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:43:00 -
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Dagar Bly wrote:Don't post ideas in GD, all you get is 4 pages of "I like the way it is", sometimes more..
I agree with the OP idea of getting rid of implants. SP obsession is bad and dumping implants is a step in the right direction.
Problem was, it was really a stealth thread about BOOSTING (rather than nerfing) SP training by making the temporary +17 etc new player boosters availble to everyone as a new form of in game drug. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2014.04.13 23:03:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
The use of implants is a priviledge for those willing to spend the isk for them. They are not a right or requirement.
This is exactly correct. I know it's hard for some people to understand they aren't automatically entitled to the best of everything, but it's true.
Spend and risk the ISK.
I lost a set of CA's and +4s a few weeks back cos I got bored and went on a null roam in a faction frigate and picked a fight I shouldn't have with something way bigger and insta locking and was to slow warping away. I was like "meh just ISK" while thinking that guy is going to get a surprise when he sees the pod killmail (140 mill pod, 10 mill frigate). |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.13 23:40:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Zappity wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
The use of implants is a priviledge for those willing to spend the isk for them. They are not a right or requirement.
This is exactly correct. I know it's hard for some people to understand they aren't automatically entitled to the best of everything, but it's true. Spend and risk the ISK. I lost a set of CA's and +4s a few weeks back cos I got bored and went on a null roam in a faction frigate and picked a fight I shouldn't have with something way bigger and insta locking and was to slow warping away. I was like "meh just ISK" while thinking that guy is going to get a surprise when he sees the pod killmail (140 mill pod, 10 mill frigate). The last pod I lost cost 700m. This has nothing to do with ISK. Isn't this all about isk? The fact that you don't want to risk +5s in pvp because they are too expensive?
The only reason my losec hauling and PI alts are pretty much empty is I do not want to encourage gankers in my PI areas by offering them good killmails. A well set up PI alt could lose a set of +5s every month and still turn a good profit.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.14 00:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Zappity wrote: Why can't we have MORE choices? I want to choose between learning boosters and learning implants.
My suggestion would be, that since the topic of the thread has diverged significantly as a result of the discussion, that you take the time to write it out for F&I. Because you now have a concrete idea with which to build such a suggestion on.
Though if posting in F&I, I would suggest a title other than "I hate Implants". |
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